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SDA Pioneers and the Third Angel's Message

Let's ask our Friend J.N. Andrews a few questions:

Is the "hour of judgement IS come" in the 1st angel's message refering to the second coming of Christ when He executes judgment?

"That this announcement of the hour of God's judgment precedes the advent of Christ, and is addressed to men while yet in probation, the fourteenth chapter of Revelation clearly proves. That this is not some local judgment is proved by the fact that "every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people" are concerned in it. It is evidently that part of the judgment work which precedes the coming of Christ, and as has been already shown, this is the work of determining who shall be accounted worthy to have part in the resurrection to immortal life, and may we add, those who also of the living shall be accounted worthy to escape the troubles that shall come in the conclusion of this state of things and to stand before the Son of Man (Luke 20:35; 21:36) (The Judgment, it's events and their order, J.N. ANDREWS p.11,12)

But brother Andrews, some people now say that the angel's fly immediatley after a certain event called the "rapture" occurs, and use the sequence in Rev. 14 where the 144,000 are upon the Mt.Zion with the Lord as their proof.

It is evident that that book (Revelation) is made up of many disticnt views, usually introduced by the expression, "AndI saw," or something of that kind, as in Rev. 14:6. The series of events which begins in chapt. 12, with the dragon, evidently extends through the work of the beasts in chpat. 13 and ends with a view of the rmnant in thier glorified state upon Mt. Zion. Re. 14:1-5. Then a new series of events with the angels of chapter 14 commenses.

The following reasons forbid the application of this prophecy to the future age:
a. The apostolic commission extended only to the harvest, which is the end of the world. Matt. 28:19,20;24:14; 13:24-30.36-43) Paul participated in this commission and he thus declares its import: that God "NOW commandeth all men everywhere to repent; beacuse he has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness Acts 17:30,31. The apostolic commission extended only tot he end, the day in which God shall judge the world by Jesus Christ.

b. The second angel announces the fall of Babylon. After this proclamation, a voice is heard from heaven, saying "Come out of her, my people," That the absurdity of placing this transaction after the second advent may be see, please read 1 Thess 4:16,17. It is there plainly stated that that at that time HIS PEOPLE shall all be caught up to meet him in the air, and thenceforward be forever with the Lord. Will the Lord take his people to Babylon when He comes? Never! John 14:2,3. So the Lord will have no occasion to call his people out of Babylon after the second advent; for at that time they are to be forever with him. (Three Messages of Revelation, J.N. Andrews p. 11-12)

So you do believe the 1st angel's message declaring that the "hour of His judgment IS come" is refering to a pre-second coming judgment, not the executive judgment of the second coming itself?

"We understand that this (angel) is the same as the one brought to view in Rev. 10....this mighty angel descends from heaven with a little book in his hand, who cries with a loud voice, as when a lion roars, and then lifts up his hand to heaven, and swears that time shall be no longer.

This oath cannot mean duration as measured by days and years, for in chapt. 20 we have 1000 years measured off between the two resurrections...Nor can it mean probationary time...for after this oath of the angel, it is said to John, who doubtless personates the church, that he must prophesy again...proof that PROBATION HAS NOT CLOSED when this oath is uttered.

Hence we understand that this oath has reference to the prophetic periods, and that this angel with the little book open in his hand is the same as the angel of chapt. 14, announcing that the hour of God's Judgment has come. The little book which was open in his hand, we understand to be the prophecy of Daniel, which was to be sealed up until the time of the end.. (The Three Angels, p. 26-27)

IT must be apparent to every student of the Scriptures, that the angel who proclaims the hour of God's Judgment does not give the latest message of mercy. Rev. 14 presents two other and later proclamations, before the close of human probation. This fact alone is sufficient to prove that the coming of the Lord does not take place until the second and third proclamations have been added to the first....

The Judgment does, of necessity commence before the advent of Christ; for he comes to execute the Judgment (Jude 14,15; Matt. 25:31-46; John 5:27) and at the sound of the last trumpet, he confers immortality upon every one of the righteous, and passes by all the wicked.

The investigative Judgment does, therefore, precede the execution of the same by the Saviour. It is the province of the Father to preside in this investigative work, as set forth in Dan. 7. At this tribunal, the son closes up his work as high priest, and is crowned king. Thence he comes to earth to execute the decisions of his Father. It is this work of judgment by the Father which the first angel introduces. (Three Messages of Rev. p.34)

Since the Millerites proclaimed the 1st angel's message in a mighty way, does this mean it was finished, expired in 1844?

"We firmly believe that this proclamation has been made, and that the preaching of the immediate advent of our Lord has been in fulfillment in this is evident that the advent proclamation came in at the right time...None can deny that this world-wide warning of impending judgment has been given. All the great outlines of the world's prophetic history were shown to be complete...The great prophetic chain of Dan. 2,7,8,11,12 were shown to be accomplished. ...And besides the mighty array of evidence on which this warning was based, the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit in connection with this procalmation set the seal of Heaven to its truth. (THREE MESSAGES of REV. 28,32)

Yes, we understand that the prophetic time periods ended in 1844, and that the cleansing of the Sanctuary, not the cleansing of any part of the earth, but the last work of our great High Priest in the heavenly Tabernacle began in 1844. We understand that the prophecy announcing the end of prophetic time periods and the beginning of Christ's last priestly work, was fulfilled in 1844, but is the message that Christ is NOW in the Most Holy Place of the heavenly courts and the significance of the event still to be preached? Is it still part of the "last message to warn the world"?

The opening of the holiest of all in the Temple in heaven, by which the ark is seen, is an event that takes place under the sounding of the seventh angel. And as the ministration of our great high Priest is changed to that apartment at the termination of the 2300 day, we understand that the opeing of the Temple is marked by the termination of that period, AS PRESENTED BY THE PROCALMATION OF THE FIRST ANGEL. The entrance of our High Priest into the most holy place to minister before the ark of God, calls the attention of the church to the commandments of God contained within that Ark. (The Three Messages p. 132)

The angel of Rev. 18 ...the angel of God illuminating the earth with his glory and thus dissipating the darkness which errors have caused. This angel accomplishes his work IN INTIMATE CONNECTION with the angel who announces that the hour of God's Judgment is come, and with that other angel who preaches the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus....The coming of Christ must be preceded by a work which shall establish the primitive purity and this work MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY THE THREE ANGELS. (The Three Messages p. 71,72)

Some say the gospel really is NOT part of the first angel's message. Is this what YOU pioneers believed?

The burden of this angel (Rev. 14:6) was to be the SAME gospel which had been before proclaimed, but connected with it was the additional motive of the proximity of the is the same gospel that Paul preached that is here styled the "everlasting gospel". But the great truth uttered by this angel would not have been a truth if uttered by Paul; for he lived at the commencement of the gospel dispensation, and this proclamation relates to its closing scenes. It to be the same as "this gospel of the kingdom" that our Lord presents in Matt. 24:14 (Three Messages, p. 27)

What has been said is quite sufficient to show that the work of the mighty angel of Revelation 10 is of the same nature with that of the angel of Rev. 14: 6,7. His message is uttered while the living are yet in probation. It is termed the everlasting gospel, because it is that which contains the good news of the coming kingdom of God. (Judgment, its Events and their Order p.59)

As a priest our Lord presents the merits of his blood in behalf of all who come to God through Him. Heb. 7:25. Even the cases of the people of God who lived during the period of the OT, have to be acted upon by Christ as priest. Heb. 9:15. They can only have redemption through his blood; and the blotting out of thei sins can only be effected through his priestly wrok. Heb 9,10....He has not only borne the sin of all these, but he makes intercession for them, and finally obtains the blotting out of their sins....

There is a period of time at the close of this dispensation devoted to the finishing of the work of human probation, to the completion of Christ's work as priest, and of his gospel as the means of salvation.

"Even the mystery which has been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints' to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory; whom we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus." Col. 1:26-28) (Judgment, it's events..p.49-50)

How do you relate the three angel's to the angel in Revelation 18. Some say they are ONLY sequential, never overlapping?

"Mankind seeks a better revelation than the Scriptures of truth afford us. The masses view has given place to the congenial idea of a spiritual reign, and often temporal prosperity and triumph. This view holds out to men the prospect of peace and safety. (1 Thess. 5)

Not withstanding the evidence has been spread out before them the the HOUR OF GOD'S JUDGMENT has come, ...and the warning repecting the coming storm of wrath has been most faithfully given, the multitude has rejected it...(Three Messages p. 102)

The rejection of the truth of God leaves men the captives of Satan, and the subjects of his deception. 2 Thess. 2:9-12. The greater the light which men reject, the greater the power of deception and of darkness which will come upon them. The advent message has been given in our own land, and by the masses rejected, and no greater, and indeed no other, light can ever be given to those who have turned away from that. (Three Messages p. 106)

The proclamations of the first and second angels belong to that generation that is to witness the final overthrow of the all earthly powers, ...the warning of the third angel is the great theme to arrest the attention of every mind.... (p. 127)

The angel (of Rev. 18) accomplishes his work in INTIMATE connection with the angel who announces that the hour of God's Judgment is come, and with that other angel who preaches the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. ....The coming of Christ must be preceded by a work which shall establish the primitive purity and this work must be accomplished by the three angels. (Three Messages. 72)

So, I would understand from the statement that we cannot say that the angel of Rev. 18 is a message that comes AFTER the third angel of Rev. 14 has "completed" "finished" his message and passed off the scene? The third angel (of Rev. 14) warns us respecting this outpouring of the exterminating wrath of God and consequently.. gives the last warning of mercy before the vials of wrath are poured out....

In this period the warning of the third angel is given, that every one who has an ear to hear may escape the vials of the wrath of God; and in this period, also the Savior completes his work in the Sanctuary in heaven. (Three Messages p. 133)

At the time of the First Angel's message, the people of God were in Babylon; for the announcemnent of the fall of Babylon, and the cry, "Come out of her, my people," is made after the first proclamation has been heard. Here we have a most decisive testimony that Babylon includes Protestant as well as Catholic churches. It is certain that the people of God at the time of the preaching of the hour of his Judgment, were in all the popular churches; and this fact is a most striking testimony as to what constitutes the great city of confusion. (p.54)

In Rev. 18 the message announcing the fall of babylon is presented again, with additions, showing, as we understand, that there is in the future a mighty movement to take place on this subject. We have no doubt that God has many dear saints united with the various bodies of professed Christians, who will yet hear the call given in Rev. 18:4

The people of God are called out of her just before the seven last plagues are poured out. Those plagues are future....Rev. 18 cannot be applied to the 16th century. ...

The duty of the people of God is plainly expressed, "come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues." (p. 61,63)

The third angel has the last warning of mercy before the vials (plagues) of God's wrath are poured out...
The wrath of God, as threatened by the third angel, is poured out in the seven last plagues...the fact proves that the plagues must be future when the third angel's Message is given; and it also proves the identity of the wrath of God without mixture to be the seven last plagues.

God has not yet visited the earth with unmixed wrath; nor can he while our great High Priest ministers in the heavenly Sanctuary, . When the plagues are poured out, mercy has given place to vengeance. (Three Messages p. 116)

So basically what this is saying is that the third angel of Revelation 14 is the last message of mercy, when the threatenings in that message begin, probation is closed and the reaping angels seen in that chapter begin their work. This would mean that Angel of Rev. 18 is really a "swelling into a loud cry" of the combined messages of those three angels of Rev. 14?

The angel of God which illuminates the earth with his glory (Rev. 18)..accomplishes his work in intimate connect with the angel who announces that the hour of God's Judgment is come, and with that other angel who preaches the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. It is at the time of these messages that the people of God are called out of Babylon...the coming of Christ must be preceded by a work which shall establish the primitive purity and this work must be accomplished by the three angels. (Three Angels p. 72)

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